Brother: Iraqi shoe-hurler injured, hospitalized

The response of the people is surely evident...a mere 1000 people protest in a city of 5 million.  The silence was deafening.  Most Iraqis understand who the good guys are now...us.  I'd bet most Iraqis would think like I do...that this man is a coward who would never have dared throw a shoe at Saddam or al Maliki or any other sitting Mid-east leader because he  knows he would not have seen the next sunrise.  He is a coward. 

If I were bush I wouldn't be giving out my new address after this incident.

Tina, Do you realize that president Bush gave him the freedom to do what he did?  What do you supposemight have happened tohim if he had done that when Saddam was in power?

I see you extrapalate a few protesters in a few towns as consesus among Iraqis.  According to your logic, Prop 8 in California must have passed 99% to 1% judging by the amount of protesters.  Good logic.

As I said, the world is watching and the outcome of this shoe slinging will soon be seen.  It is not what the Western world has given this people, but what it has taken.  For those of you who believe we can propagate a Western culture into a country that has  low incidents of bastard children and all the diseases that come with it, low crime rates, longivity, honor, integrity and teach them the "Western Democratic Way" and watch them slowly increase all that was menitoned.  Thanks, but no thanks.  What business is it of ours to make an entire country change.  Allow for humane and dignified assistance but do not inject them with our "ways.  It will not work. It has been said that many a nations have attempted to change the Middle East and all have failed.  Let them be.  Tina in Tempe.

Is the throwing a shoe the response of all the people of that country ? For some reason I doubt that. If this is so then they surely deserve to have their old ruler back...be interesting to see what would happen if that same reporter threw a shoe at Saddam H. Of course we already know what would have happened then.. just look at how many disappeared while Saddam ruled that country. 

It would be interesting to know just what the outcome of a really free election  would be in that country if the people could actually vote with no pressure from anyone.

Granted Bush made some huge mistakes, but guess what...many of the very same representatives we just re-elected  voted for all that has  to happened while he was President. But I didn't see anyone changing that.

apparently you guy have missed the news. This event has shaken the parliament. So, if this is such a small and isolated incident event then why all the fuss all the way to the top and back. Just arrest the guy and go about business as usual. Why, because this is not just the sentiment of a single iraqi journalist it's the sentiment of most of the world. It is only goose stepping nationalist that like to think they are better than others that cannot come to terms with the fact that Bush is a war criminal and a mass murderer. If they had to admit that Bush was wrong and that everything they believe in is a lie, it would be to much for them. So they use EVERY ad homineum attack, slippery slope, strawmen, ad neuseum, ad ignoriam, ad populum, bifucation, plurium interrogationum and ad logicam fallacy to keep themselves in denial of the facts. Which are that the good old US of A ain't the GOOD GUY they think it is.

It's also called assault bonehead!  Would have loved to seen this jackoff throw some shoes at Saddam.  Never would have heard from this idiot or HIS FAMILY ever AGAIN!  Thinkabout that when you are slamming all the dead Americans and Iraqis who died allowing this type of "disrespect"!!  Come to think of it, why don't you let me throw my shoes at your head?  I'll bet you would curl up in the fetal position and scream for the police!  Same goes for you beefviper! 

Heay, chee.  It is a well-known fact that 3 presidential regimes vilified Hussein to lather up the American brainwashed drones so they would sacrifice their kids to die for all the glories, freedoms and damocracies.  And, it works every time.  Just shout, bad dude, evil empire, and it lathers up this nation's brainwashed drones -- every time.

"Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war: neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

- Hermann Goehring

White trash, would have been more powerful if you had spelled Goering correct! : )

But good qoute! 

Cheeto - "quote."  It is long overdue that people resolve conflict with means other than violence! And that includes shoe throwing - is that guy out of middle school?

Damn it!  I had it spelled right the first time but second guessed myself!  LOL

jack:

imagine if someone in America had thrown a shoe at the visiting president of France?  How do you think the French people would feel about America?

It's very easy to support an insult against someone you personally don't like, but do remember that such an assault on a head of state reflects badly on an entire people, not to mention reflecting badly on the office itself.  I expect you would be singing a different tune if someone had thrown a shoe at Obama.

Cheeto, you wouldn't get a second chance, I can promise you that. As for the rest, we have our own signs of disrespect that we give to foreign leaders, sure they're not necessarily violent, all of the time, but there have been instances where violence, in fact, has become a way for Americans to protest. Do I necessarily wish that President Bush had been hurt, of course not, do I find it amusing that ONE person had the nerve to stand up to him, absolutely, how else are the Iraqis supposed to express their distrust and contempt for Americans? Peaceful protest hasn't gotten them very far has it, we're still there. And by the way Cheeto, two of my friends died in Iraq to give Iraqis freedom of expression, which by the way, is promised to us so back the hell off. Three of my other friends are still there, fighting for their freedoms too. Don't ever tell me that I'm not supporting the troops you rotten SOB, you've not met me, you've not seen my family members who died honorably in the line of duty, so piss off.

So Jackoff your friends are there but you were/are not?  Sounds like your friends are the one's whose opinions counts most here.  So until you stand a post in some far away counrty with a rifle strapped to your arm shut the freak up!  And as far as me not getting a second chance you're probably right.  I would have hit you and knocked you the f@#k out with my first shoe!  Ha ha  

So the opinions of those who fight/fought in Iraq count more than any other Americans?  This seems to go against the idea of freedom, democracy, and equality.  Maybe i'm just confused.

And can we please stop with the grammar criticism.  People get heated, type fast, and misspell words.  Who gives a sh!t...attacking grammar is utterly meaningless in this forum, pleez staup.

Jackripper.....So anybody should be able to harm anybody as long as they are trying to disrespect them?  That makes no sense.  so under your logic i should be able to haul off on anybody i want to disrespect and i shouldnt go to jail?  Why stop there.... why not just shot someone who i want to disrespect.  You logic is incredibly flawed in a civilized society.

Calm down Jack, jees. All Americans' opinions count, having served the country or not. You might have a valid reason for not being able to go and fight, but the guys that are there are covering you ass and protecting your rights too. Deal with it and get off you pedestal. 

I just wish W would have caught it and thrown it back at the guy. I don't care how much you dislike Bush, it just validates the fact that most of them are ignorant savages! 

Bush is so lucky he only got shoes in your  direction>I like the usa/people as whole....bush is such  @!$%#/in his decision makings in the last 8yrs....bush is on his way out office..now he is a shrub.The usa has lost  good standing in the world.THe shrub(bush) has been been embrasment.To american's.I wouldn't want 2 be american today(watch your  back)its 2 bad.Maybe u can say your Canadian eh...when u travel abroad.And the trillion's spent fighting  this war,all this money spent could of been spent on affordable health  4 all usa people and affordable housing?..such a loss>Even more all the wounded men/women /lost lives of this war that wasn't not needed or wanted?U can't put a $ on human affectand loss?>Maybe  your new president mR. Obama  will get it right..4 the usa sack..it has to known when not interfer with other countries/mind their own business.The americans are paying for this war big time in many ways around the world and at home(call it the ripple afect).And now the fall of the home/mortage,securties in the usa(grid got in the way}Now whole @!$%#ing world is paying the price/thanks.Your not so strong/free country as u were once. Now in he eyes of the world u have lets us down.As a country u have much 2 fear/after 911 Iraq war etc...do things get better 4 the usa?.Iam not the lord or pretend this was my opinion take what u like and leave the rest of what i said.Your going 2 need alot hope and prays/humiity and wisdon...Good luck

For the record, there is not a single military person in Iraq defending MY (or the US as a whole) freedoms.  I wish people would stop saying that.  Our military is in Iraq on a nation building/occupation/oil confiscating exercise.T he USA hasn't used the military to defend the US in quite a while now.  And don't  even try and use 9/11.  If you still believe Iraq had any connection to 9/11 then there is simply no hope for your intelligence.

Like most that thinink like you, you have no defense.  Only a childish response.  You drape yourself in red white and blue and worship at the altar of denial and fabrication and tell yourself over and over and over that the USA is the greatest most honorable place in the universe while completely ignoring the history of your own country.  You are no more than a small minded individual that would rather spend their entire life in a complete fantasy land because you can not or will not see the reality of what you so desperately need to believe to make you feel better is nothing more than a fairy tale that you have created in your own mind.  Then you show just how narrow your tiny little mind is when all you can do is respond with is a 5 word sentence that says absolutely nothing.   

Or how about we just not occupy their lands?

Also don't rape, torture, and murder them, small gestures go along way :P

How would you feel, Rob, if China or Russia invaded and conquered this nation and killed and mangled your kids and loved ones?  Iraq is poc-marked with American bombs and bullets.  Exactly, what had Iraq done to America?  For years, Hussein did America's bidding and was our big pal.  Then, he became the evil dude; however, while US president's were demonizing Hussein, he wasn't even listed in the top 5 of worst dictators on the planet.

So, exactly, why did we invade and whip and mass murder a million innocent Iraqis?  Sounds pretty evil to me.  Unless you don't think mass murder is evil!  Then, where would you find evil?  "Thou Shall Not Kill" and do unto others as you wish to be done to.  Sounds pretty good to me. 

Mass murder a million innocent Iraqis?!    Are we referring the same "innocent" Iraqis who invaded Kuwait raping and pillaging as they went?  Are we referring to the "innocent" Iraqi Republican Guard who slaughtered thousands of @!$%#es who revolted against Saddam?  Or perhaps the "innocent" Iraqi Army who deployed chemical weapons on the Kurds wiping out entire cities, villages and families?  Which "innocent" Iraqis ar you referring to White Trash? 

Are we seriously comparing Bush to Christ, Bob? LOL

kenaida22:

Also don't rape, torture, and murder them, small gestures go along way :P

They didn't seem too disturbed by all the rape, torture and murder that went on under Saddam.  All of a sudden, making people appear naked on the end of a leash is torture?  God forbid they ever pledge a fraternity.

trash:

Iraq is poc-marked with American bombs and bullets

we've paid for and  fixed most of the damage from 2003.  The majority of the pockmarks there now are from Iraqis digging holes in the roadbed to plant bombs and shrapnel from where Iraqi suicide bombers blew themselves up in the middle of crowded Iraqi markets trying to get themselves into paradise by killing a few of the infidels (including fellow Iraqis of other sects).  I've said it before and I'll say it again.  The day after the last US soldier leaves is the day the streets of Iraq really run with blood.  Anyone who believes otherwise doesn't know the history of Islam very well.

If that is true then no matter what we do it will make no difference. So why stay at all or are you asking our men and women to move there and take care of them forever? Just asking.

PLEASE.......you have the nerve to compare Bush to JESUS?

And WHY is America supposed to be the World's babysitter.  Jeesh, both of you..........................get a Brain for Christmas.

Happy Holidays

I apologize, my comment was for DC.

Cheeto, your outrage about the atrocities of Saddam are laughable at best.  Especially since I have know about ALL of those things, along with our government for oh about 20 years now.  Have you been outraged all this time or did you do an about face like our leaders did and use 20 year old issues (which I might add the US funded and provided arms for) to justify your fake outrage for an unnecessary war?

luvenia:

I never suggested that our people should be there, or stay there, because it doesn't really accomplish anything.  You can't impose a real democracy on a country inhabited by two groups of people, in which the minority previously oppressed the majority.  The temptation for revenge is too strong.  What I am trying to say to the people who love to blame American troops for the bloodshed in Iraq, is that when we leave they will see who is really doing the killing.

I have no interest in America babysitting the world.  I would much rather we let the Sunnis and Shiites, and every other murderous tribal conglomeration exterminate each other.  None of these groups are of any use to us, nor of much intrinsic value to the world except as an example of how not to behave.

These people have different beliefs, culture, everything is different over there.. Why do they need to be like us?? What right do we have to make them be like us..Liberate is one thing, to change their way of life or try to is another thing.. that is what we are about... if you are not christian and like the majority of "Americans" then there must be something wrong with you... get over ourselves people.. Look at Star Treks Prime Directive... very good idea behind that actually for a tv show!! It is time to come home from that 3d world @!$%# hole.. If it was about the oil we should have taken the oil.. what a waste of resources on this crappy country...Now back to the original topic...

You throw something at any world leader and you would probably expect to get your ass kicked a little bit!!! Stop the Whining!!!

He could have sued the police for the injuries, made a million, got a book deal, and a very sympathetic interview with katie couric.

Assaulting a prisoner is a heinous crime. Preventing crimes like these is part of why we justified the invasion, once we knew no WMD would be found.

He could have sued the police for the injuries, made a million, got a book deal, and a very sympathetic interview with katie couric.

Yeah if you're living in a fantasy land.

He came across in a threatening mannor to the president and the guards and officers did what it took to protect the president. If he has a bump on his head and a broken arm, tough luck, he brought it upon him self for his action.

A broken arm would be the least of his worries under saddam. Can't believe we have so many people on the vine defending this creep for attacking the president. Bush has done a terrible job as CINC but throwing stuff at him should get you a fairly good beat down.

whitetrash... you scare me...  iraqis have killed more iraqis than the US by far in the last 5 years...  you need to get your facts right

Yep Saddam would have pulled out his sidearm and shot him in the head on international TV.. no questions asked...

Maxwell Smart would have caught the shoe, flipped open the sole, dialed agent 99, and triggered the hidden bombs

Your deep respect for the office of President is touching. I wonder if you would have felt the same outrage if the target was former President Clinton when he was in office,  or soon-to be President Obama. I seem to remember plenty of disrespect directed toward Bill, and expect to soon witness the same toward Obama from patriots like your self.

robot:

sticks and stones have not been thrown here, and words will never hurt Clinton or Obama.  Shoes, on the other hand, are a violent assault.  I'm sure plenty of disrespect will be unleashed on Obama just as it has been on our current president.  I don't care for Obama, and I suspect he will give me plenty of reason to disrespect him in the future, but if I see someone sling a boot at him i'll pick it up and beat them with it.

Yes he is POTUS.

But he is also a war criminal. You are required by the Constitution to impeach and imprison anyone who commits treason. You support a war criminal in violation of the Constitution?

Is it any wonder why we are in the state we are? People who support idiots and the parties they represent as opposed the the Supreme Law of the Land - the Constitution.

btw - Obama kool-aid drinker are the same as Bush kool-aid drinkers.

Rob bot - How is a physical assualt on our president the same as being disrespected? If your question is would i be offended if someone tried to physically harm obama or clinton I would.  I think people should show more respect to the President than they currently do. 

Shoes, on the other hand, are a violent assault.

Violent assult?  Gee I wasn't aware that a shoe, thrown from 10 feet away, could cause serious bodily harm, requiring stitches or surgery.  Look I understand you're angry, but this statement is clearly an exaggeration of what a true violent assault is.  Perhaps you might refer to it as a violent INSULT, maybe.

I think people should show more respect to the President than they currently do. 

I'm not sure I completely agree, respect is earned not blindly given.

Crusher...agreed

Also the Blind loyalty given to Bush is why he was in Iraq to have the shoes thrown at him in the first place.

Plus in an interview GW had no clue that it was a sign of Total disrespect....and GW said he didn't know why the man was mad at him.

i was just wondering~ werent the shoes formal shoes? so~ the were hard~ n looking at the shoe go at him would have caused extreme harm if it were to hit and possibly split the head open~btw the war to invade iraq was also part of the legislative blame too~ they are to aprove such a bill or action

Ray

I'm not sure how you can possibly deduce that hard shoes were thrown and thus hypothetically cause injury.  Unless you're privy to information about the shoes, then your comment is mere speculation.  Congress did authorize the President to invade Iraq.  But the conservative argument at the time was that Bush didn't need authorization because he was commander-in-chief of the armed forces.  Congressional authorization is only needed to "DECLARE WAR," which hasn't been done since Pearl Harbor.  Don't forget the authorization was passed under a republican controlled (rubber-stamp) Congress, and most house Democrats opposed it.

Crusher... its more of a respect for the office of the presidency.  This man was voted in by the people, we wether we agree with that person or not politically we should respect that more than we have shown in recent history. Just my opinion

Crusher, Regarding the shoe being violent.  Its not like he would have suffered major injury i agree.  But lets not just say it was insult only.  Who knows what type of shoe it was. I have plenty of hard soled shoes and if i hawked it at someone would certianly injure them.  They wouldnt die but its not like this was the same as calling someone a name either.

NJbadboy

The following is stuff I've already posted in other threads so they might not specifically pertain to you but you will understand my point.

I will respect the office of president but I will not necessarily respect the man holding the office of president.  Respect for a leader of this country is earned, not blindly given.  The office of president is not a person but an institution.  If I disagree or disrespect the president, I am not by extension also disrepecting the office.  Besides using your argument, I could say that many conservatives disrepected the president when they were feigning outrage over the Lewinski scandal. 

If the President deserves respect, then likewise so does every Govenor of each state, right?  After all each govenor is commander-in-chief of their respective national guard.  But if that is the case then that would mean that I would have to respect the Govenor of Illinois, which I don't.  Many have recently decried the "disrespect" shown to the Bush when he had two shoes thrown at him in Iraq.  Some have said that it is a personal offense, because Bush is our representative and the shoes were thus thrown at the whole country.  Some defend the president and plead for others to "Respect the Office of the Presidency" or "No matter what he is still our President and deserves respect."  I only mention this because now, Ann Coulter, is certainly not planning on showing respect to the incoming president and will likely continue to hurl personal insults at him from day one. The onus is upon you, conservatives, hold Coulter to the same "respect" standards that you want liberals to abide by. 

Agreed, throwing shoes and calling names are not the same thing and you can probably cause, relatively speaking, minor injuries by having a shoe hurled at you from 10 feet away.  I also never said that it was only meant as an insult either.  True the guy probably was trying to cause minor injuries but if Bush had been hit with either shoe, it is not like he would have been hospitalized either. 

Oourahh Gunny! 

Nice Call Ole gunny!

And just so you bleeding heart libs out their understand one F-ing thing, is that those Marines would do the same thing no matter who the President was because of Love of Country.

If you Bush hating Libs hate things so much get the hell out. Find a nice little cozy corner of the World where every thing meets your standards.

I'll let you Libs in on a little secret - in about 35 days, you'll have no one to blame but your do-nothing-8% approval rating Congress and Obama. And as you can tell, the mess has already started. The Pardon list is off and running, his Chief of Staff is already in hiding.

And to think he isn't even in Office yet!

Hey Gunny, I couldn't have said any better! Thanks!

rmbscuba

And just so you bleeding heart libs out their understand one F-ing thing, is that those Marines would do the same thing no matter who the President was because of Love of Country.

You see, we libs love our country deeply too.  We libs have fought and died and even been Marines, yes really.

And to think he isn't even in Office yet!

Despite your factless post, I would like to offer this to you.  In about 35 days "the man that the majority of the American People voted for" will take office.  He will deserve our respect until ON HIS WATCH he fails us.  The difference between you and me is that I will wait and see... you are more that ready to cheer for his failure now.

You tell me rmbscuba, just how patriotic is that???

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How Patriotic is associating with a Terrorist? How patriotic is it to utilizing your public office to benefit financially, as in the property Obama purchased from a convicted felon well below the market value. That convicted felon just so happens to be the same guy Obama and Blagojevich used for their fund raising - wow what a coincidence. As an ex- cop/investigator, the last time I checked, it was a crime to benefit financially while in Public Office. How about Dodd and his Sweet heart Mortgage deal? You and I don't get mortgages with below the market interest rates. Again, in case you don't understand, that is a crime. As a Conservative, not obligated to any one party, I find it criminal that these guys as well as others (Both Democrats and Republicans) are utilizing their office and gaining financially. This should bother all Americans, both Dems. and Repubs. alike.
So many people are willing to overlook the crimes committed as long as their candidate wins the elections. And when the other side brings these issues (Crimes) up, the other party says quit whining.
No wonder our Country is so screwed up! It's time we hold these guys to a higher standard - both parties.

I surely don't won't Obama to fail. But his associations truely bother me and should bother all Americans alike. His purchase of property from a convicted felon for a price well below its market value should also bother all Americans. His association with this convicted felon who raised funds for Obama should also concern all Americans. Where is Americas Common Sense?

As an ex-cop who for a period of time was assigned to do background investigations for new hires, I can assure you, Obama would not have passed our background investigation to get hired on our 300 member Police Department. And he surely wouldn't have been able to get hired on the vary Secret Service detail which protects him and his family. This is a Fact!

It is ture that the majority voted him in, but let's look at some of these well educated individuals who voted for him. A lot of those voters didn't even know what he stands for and thought Sarah Palin was his running mate.

It's not a secret that a very large percentage of Democrats are inner city, un-educated people and un-informed people. While on the surface is not a problem, but when you are voting for someone you have absolutely no knowledge of , or what that individual stands for, that simply is not good for America.

Americans need to wake up, research and educate themselves as to whether or not the person they are voting for represents issue they believe in and that the candidate doesn't have a shady bacground.

Maybe I'm in the wrong Business.

If I were in Politics, I'd have several mortgages below the interest rates any citizen would be entitlted to and will have been able to purchase property from a convicted felon for far less than its market value. All this because I'm a Public Official and I am entitled to paybacks / bribes for the work that I've done. Don't Public Officials already get a paycheck - and vote for their own raises. And a retirement you and I could only dream of? And a Health Plan you and I could only dream of? Oh and not to mention being able to keep $90,000.00 in a freezer, as in the case of William Jefferson.

All Americans need to wake up!

It's time to call a spade a spade even if that spade is from the party you voted for. Those of you with your head in the sand regarding your candidate need to pull it out, brush off and educate yourself about the guy you're voting for.

Those of you who voted for Obama, and have kids, would you let your kids go to Rev. Wright's Church -and listen to a few of his great sermons? Would you allow your Children to hang out with Ayers - maybe plot a few bombings? Would you allow your Children to associate with Rezko - a convicted felon? Would you allow your Children to hang out with Rezko, Blagojevich and Obama and do alittle fund raising?

Any parent with any common sense would have answered, "Absolutely Not"!

But you will let him run our Country!

This speaks volumes of how dumb a good protion of Americans are.

Oh and by the way, I didn't think McCain was the best for this Country either. There's our problem - in all of America, the best we can come up with is Obama and McCain?

Not to mention our do - nothing - Congress! With and 8% approval rating!

No wonder this Country is in trouble!

A spade a spade is that an attempt at hidden racism? Lets call bush a war criminal and a mass murderer. There I did it I called a spade a spade. I still wish that shoe had hit him square in the nuts.

rmbscuba,  All I can do is laugh uncontrollably at your post.  If you really were a police officer then I now have even less faith in the police forces.  As for your ramblings about how Obama wouldn't be able to pass a background check to be a cop, now that one was particularly amusing.  Are you claiming that you are privy to the same information the FBI and CIA are?  Or is that something you pulle ou of you ass with the rest of the garbage?  A bit of an over inflated sense of self worth eh?  And your pathetic attempt to use kids to make your point, well it's just that, pathetic.  Truth is I wouldn't let my kids near you. 

While you are so eager to point out the Ill Gov, Tony Rezko and Jefferson (names I am certian you would never have even know without Rush giving them to you),don't forget to mention Foley, Craig, Vitter, Bennett,  Cunningham, Lukens, Bauman, Giordano, and on and on and on.    You are good for a laugh !  Thanks for playing!

ya, ummmm not a good idea, he should be punished to the full exstent of the law, to send a message. He is also lucky it wasn't Saddam , or he'd been torn to bits while alive.

 Ya there's your freedom, you can actually rally without getting gassed...ungrateful pigs!

Even if he wanted to, Bush can't pardon or grant clemency because the crime is under Iraqi jurisdiction.

the investigation will be handled by a committee of Iraqi officials and American personnel.  The Americans are already calling for leniency and reminding the Iraqis that freedom of speech is one thing they were fighting for in the first place.  On the other hand, because it was a PHYSICAL assault, some punishment is necessary.

How about we bury you under the dog dung on the bottom of those shoes. Those shoes thrown at the President of the United States are being thrown at each and everyone of us.  I have more respect for myself and my country than to let that happen.  Have respect for the highest office in the land whether it is Bush or Obama in that office.  If you don't respect yourself I can't help that but the rest of us want respect.

Those shoes thrown at the President of the United States are being thrown at each and everyone of us.

Ok, so I understand you're insulted by the shoe throwing and take personal offense because Bush represents your country (and mine).  Maybe now you might understand it if  the French people might have been even mildly irritated with our beloved "Freedom Fries".  Even though the French didn't invent the fries (and where it gets the name, makes no difference), the snub of a whole country based on their lack of support during the build-up to the Iraq War was blatant unwarranted disrespect to France and their people.  Perhaps this is an apples-to-oranges comparison, but clearly the intent to show disrespect was there when "Freedom Fries" were born and the shoe was thrown. 

TO: Libbily

You're showing the class your Trailer Park has bestilled in you. Calm down and go back to your MD 20-20, scratch off the rest of your lottery tickets and relax.

Only 35 more days, then you'll have no one to blame but your do nothing Congress and Obama. The same Congress with an approval rating far less than President Bush.

What has President Bush done to you, besides trying to keep you safe and free. Free to write the B.S. you wrote above.

If things are so bad, move your trailer to another part of the world.

How did you get from Bush and the Iragi's to the French?  Freedom fries were not thrown at the French President.  If they had been and by an American then that person should have had to do the time for the crime.  Your apples-to-oranges comparison is too far out to make any sense.  Nice try though.

I know that my comment about Freedom Fries is a stretch.  But I do feel that the underlining point in comparing the two episodes remains.  There was malicious intent to be blatantly disrespectful towards the French gov't (perhaps the French people as well) for not supporting our pre-emptive invasion and of course throwing shoes at the current president.  You see the shoes being thrown at Bush as a personal offense and I can't argue with you because it is your opinion and it is how you feel.  Likewise, when U.S. congressman Bob Ney ordered the congressional cafeterias to rename anything with French in it, (French Toast, Fries, Mustard, etc.) that was seen as public display of disrespect towards the French Gov't and by extension the French people. 

rmbscuba

You're showing the class your Trailer Park has bestilled in you

and you are bestilled, LMAO, with the rancor of one very smug biggot.  I bet you have dirty finger nails from scratching that greasy head trying to come up with those 2 bit words...there how does that feel???

Wow... Crusher... your views regarding our apparent "disrespect" for the French govt. in renaming a product to Freedom Fries that was never founded by the French to begin with is more than just a stretch honey.... it's insane.  Why don't you try using another comparison... one that actually has some basis and standing in comparison to Bush and the shoe thrower.  As for what our current President is doing, no I don't agree.  But being "patriotic" doesn't mean I have to like everything he does.  He's just simply a man trying to to be competent enough to do the job, and failing miserably at it. 

As for our newly elected President Obama.... only time will tell if he can stand up to the position he's been elected into and take this Country where it needs to go and put in place changes that are going to be beneficial for us as a whole.  Power like that has been known to either make a good man great, or greedy for it and his own ambitions. 

Alright how about this comparison.  Remember the Danish cartoonist who drew up some inflammatory cartoons and all the Muslims were rioting and foaming at the mouth?  They saw those cartoons as being blatantly disrepectful to their religion and by extension all Muslims should thus take personal offense, over cartoons!!  And here we are now more people foaming at the mouth screaming bloody murder over shoes being thrown at the president and crying about disrespect to the Office of the President and by extension all U.S. citizens.  Still not satisfied?  Ok try this example.

If the office of President deserves respect, then likewise so does the office of every Govenor of each state, right?  After all each govenor is commander-in-chief of their respective national guard.  But if that is the case then that would mean that I would have to respect the office of the Govenor of Illinois, which I don't.  If you still don't get it then I've already wasted too much time.

Who said this nation is free? We've got enough laws here that prohibit you from almost everything...

OLDWISEANDCURIOUS

How many American soldiers did this tyrant Bush kill by sending them off to a self-centered war based on lies that, to this day, too many idiots still believe?  Oh wait, America did it so it's ok.  Sorry, I forgot one of the many rules of the conservatives.  You DO find neocon idiots in Muslim countries.  They basically have the same beliefs.  If you're different in your thinking and beliefs than we are, you are no good.

Americans have sat back and watched tryants rape and kill without stopping it for years so don't give that old line that we went into Iraq to stop Saddam because he was such a monster. We allowed in our own backyard Papa Doc and Baby Doc to pillage Haiti kill and terrorize their own people with their infamous death squads. Or how Idi Amin in Uganda and his reign of terror. He one sick bastard he killed one of his wives cut of her head had it reattched backwards and took his young children to see her in her coffin to show them what happens to bad mommies.

And how about North Korea and how they treat their people and the way the kidnap people and they actually do have WMD and they ability to hit our west coast.

We did not enter Iraq to free their people. That was never the goal.

IpitytheFutureAmericans

Bravo!!!

Carol, the self righteous ALWAYS fail to remember that.  They use this to try and create a smoke screen to justify.  All this horror over what Saddam has done just kills me.  Where was this horror TWENTY YEARS AGO when it was actually happening?  Did it take that long for people to decide it was bad?   These are all the Rush listening, only know what they heard on his show and haven'tt bothered to find anything out on their own kinds of people.  They are hopeless and it is futile to try and even engage in any kind of dialog with them.  From the mouth of Ron White, you can't fix stupid!  Especially when they CHOOSE to remain that way.

I think you should change your name.  onePatriot does not fit you.  That shoe was thrown at all of us as Americans.  A thousand people out of 5 million protested this guy being jailed and so you all think we should just run out of the country like a bunch of cowards.  Bush is still our president and should be respected for the highest office in our country if nothing else.  I personally don't like someone throwing insults at me and my country.  Believe me with your attitude you are not an American Patriot.  Shame on you.

Look up the word Patriot oh mighty warrior, I am onePatriot of many.

Only in your own mind and that is a defective one.

One Patriot.....Oh where to start:

1) yes it does make him the most powerful.. but nobody looks at it that way

2) What makes him the most despised person in the world. The Iraq war?  Who cares what the other countries say anyway...especially the ones on the take from the Oil for Food program(Russia/france)

3) Tried to destroy America? Perhaps you could explain your "shredding our Constitution" comment. You sound like a conspiracy theory lunatic

4) Nobody ever said the President or any president is the smartest peroson in the world..im sure GWB doesnt claim to be. 

In summary, stick to your starbucks, weed, and ritalin... you clearly are in a fantasy world

to all of you who replied to One Patriot, you are an embarrassment to human kind.  It will be a better world when evolution will rid the world of the likes of you.

CCArm - your brillance is astounding.  Way to contribute in a insightful manner.  Perhaps trading your mother is — — _  jokes is more your speed.

njbadboy

check your armpits

You proved my point.... thx

Don't thank me, you are the sorry one

njbadboy, if you don't already know how Bush has shredded the constitution then there are one of a few things things going on with you.

1.  You choose to ignore what is happening in your own country.

2. You are not smart enough to understand what is happeining in your own counrty.

3.  You have no clue what the constitution even says.  OR

4.  You simply don't care and continue to spout  out your BS no matter how foolish it makes you look because you have convinced yourself in that small little world you live in that you are THE patriot of the US becuse you wrap yourself in a flag and turn a blind eye to any and everything that does not fit into your fantasy.

Unfortunately and sadly enough, he probably WILL be. He has a family too.

Bush is used to ducking things.  Military service, jail for cocaine use, the truth, responsibility.  The list goes on and on, so this shouldn't surprise you.

With all this talk of Jail for Bush, where were you Libs during the Crooked Clinton years? Clinton Chronicles, the Clinton Body Count, etc...

I'd like to see your dumbass run the Country. But let's start you off with a Paper Route first.

Oh, I see it's OK if a Dem. is crooked as hell!

Wake up, you Lib. A -holes are ruining this Country.

Believe me "Willy" I'd pelt Bush with a couple great big boots if given the chance and as for al-Zeidi, I don't see him as a coward, as you stated...at least he is standing up against the destruction which has devastated his country through 15 years of Bushes. In the early nineties, George senior killed 1.5 million Iraqis and 600,000 were children, after sanctions were placed. Throwing a couple shoes is not much pay-back.

George senior killed 1.5 million Iraqis and 600,000 were children, after sanctions were placed.

Wow, he was busy.  How the hell did one man find the time to go to Iraq and personally kill 900,000 adults and 600,000 children?  Did he have a partner reloading for him?

George Bush Sr. was, as commander-in-chief, (indirectly) responsible for the deaths of probably 50,000-100,000 Iraqi troops in a military campaign.  Probably most of those would have surrendered alive if their boss wasn't prepared to execute their entire families if they did.  Then after the invasion, Saddam ordered the deaths of an equal or greater number of his own citizens as a show of force to keep the rest docile.  The rest of the deaths were the result of Saddam allowing his own people to starve while he hoarded food and supplies for his own loyal army.  You'll notice that all of his palaces were in great condition when we got to them, as opposed to the rest of the country.

You people make me sick.  You really do.  Despite having no grasp of reality, you have determined the direction this country will take for the next 4-8 years.  I hope we all survive your folly.

it depends why their invading us~

Nance I know what you mean... It is because he is the current president.  If he was the ex-president and this happened, most people would be "Yeah hit him!" or possibly worse...???  But like most amercians we don't want anyone hurting our president, even if he is one of the dumbest.  But at the same time he totally deseveres it.

Without the title he goes from Dumbest President Ever to just plain old dumb... 

How many more days does Texas have to live without their village idiot?

Ummmmm he was in Iraq, don't think he will be sent to an"Afghani"  jail. 

It's always the people that don't even know what country they are talking about that show up and call people losers.  Sheeshs

Does the ends justify the means? If freedom was that important to them, it would have been paid for by their own.

Despite some more positive "outcomes" of the Iraq war the lead up to and the ongoing conduct of this war have been CRIMINAL. Bush and Chenney will eventually be held accountable for their war crimes. This will be the most powerful message of justice and possible peace to see "powerful" criminals account for their actions that have devastated so many lives.

WI.bob:

If freedom was that important to them, it would have been paid for by their own.

I guess that's true.  If someone was born to be a slave, no one should force freedom on them.

Hague:

Bush and Chenney will eventually be held accountable for their war crimes. This will be the most powerful message of justice and possible peace to see "powerful" criminals account for their actions that have devastated so many lives.

And the message is:

Treat your people however you want, savages!  Torture, murder, rape, enslave, exterminate whole ethnic groups!  It's no one's business but your own.  As long as you don't have nukes, no one has the right to intervene and will be punished thoroughly for their efforts.  And if you do have a clandestine weapons program, be prepared for the full wrath of the U.N. to come down upon your head in the form of a good talking to!  Possibly a loud denunciation before the security council! And maybe even some weapons sanctions, unless that would cost France and Germany too much business.

DC

Isn't that the message Bush is sending to Zimbabwe/Mugabe right now. Its funny how we as a Nation pick and chose which tyrants to bring down and which ones we leave alone because of politics.

You are right, it is absolutely the wrong message to send. Its just that it is a little hard to use that argument when it isn't universally applied.

meant to vote, not post. sorry

Spell much?  Congradulate?  Looser?  Pathetic.  Hmm, wonder who the loser is here. 

Sounds like the spelling police like you Paulita are the real pathetic posters here.

If all you can come up with are arguments against his spelling, I guess you couldn't come up with a rational argument against his opinion?

Paulita:

Spell much?  Congradulate?  Looser?  Pathetic.  Hmm, wonder who the loser is here. 

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I love it when you have someone trash someone else for a spelling error, then while tashing them screw up proper english sentence structure themselves.  Brilliant !

I have to remember to use spellchecker. Those spelling police like Paulita are everywhere. I heard they also moonlight as school crosswalk guards. Paulita cant make out what I wrote cause I misspelled a couple of words. It appears to have ruined her day completely. It didn't wreck mine cause I have a life.  How sad for her! :(

Barack Hussein Obama, do you call everyone by their entire name or are you one of the petty little people who think it makes a rats ass to anyone else that his middle name is Hussein?  That's all you got it is a middle name?  Ohhhhhh Hussein, I am afraid of a name you should be too.  Ohhhhhhh, I am soooo scared.  Ohhhhhh I have to let the world know that a middle name is going to mean the end of us all.  Ohhhh  I am so illiterate and unimformed that all I can do is scream a middle name over and over and over. HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN  Everyone wake up, be on the look out for ANYONE with a name that is the same or similar to ANYONE in history that has done bad things because all we have to go on are names. Jack, Charles or Charlie, Ted, Elizabeth, Jeffrey, John and on and on and on. Moron!

My guess, old yes, not so wise and definitely not very curious!